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Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.\u2019s announcement that the federal government will cancel nearly $500 million in mRNA research funding is unnerving not only for those who develop vaccines, but also for public health experts who see the technology behind the first covid-19 shots as the nation\u2019s best hope to combat a future pandemic.<\/p>\n
And President Donald Trump is demanding that major pharmaceutical companies offer many American patients the same prices available to patients overseas. It isn\u2019t the first time he\u2019s made such threats, and drugmakers \u2014 who scored a couple of wins against Medicare negotiations in the president\u2019s tax and spending law \u2014 are unlikely to volunteer to drop their prices.<\/p>\n
This week\u2019s panelists are Emmarie Huetteman of KFF Health News, Sarah Karlin-Smith of the Pink Sheet, Sandhya Raman of CQ Roll Call, and Lauren Weber of The Washington Post.<\/p>\n
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\t\t\t \t\t\t \t\t\t \t\t\t \tSandhya Raman \t\t\t \t\t\t \t\t\t \t\t\t \tLauren Weber \t\t\t \t\t\t Among the takeaways from this week\u2019s episode:<\/p>\n Plus, for \u201cextra credit\u201d the panelists suggest health policy stories they read (or wrote) this week that they think you should read, too:\u00a0<\/p>\n Emmarie Huetteman:<\/strong> KFF Health News\u2019 \u201cNew Medicaid Federal Work Requirements Mean Less Leeway for States<\/a>,\u201d by Katheryn Houghton and Bram Sable-Smith.\u00a0<\/p>\n Sarah Karlin-Smith:<\/strong> Slate\u2019s \u201cConfessions of a Welfare Queen<\/a>,\u201d by Maria Kefalas.\u00a0<\/p>\n Sandhya Raman: <\/strong>CQ Roll Call\u2019s \u201cSweden\u2019s Push for Smokeless Products Leads Some To Wonder About Risks<\/a>,\u201d by Sandhya Raman.\u00a0<\/p>\n Lauren Weber:<\/strong> The New York Times\u2019 \u201c\u2018Hot Wasps\u2019 Found at Nuclear Facility in South Carolina<\/a>,\u201d by Emily Anthes.\u00a0<\/p>\n Also mentioned in this week\u2019s podcast:<\/p>\n \t\t\t\t\tclick to open the transcript\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n \t\t\t\t\t\tTranscript: Kennedy Cancels Vaccine Funding\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n [Editor\u2019s note:<\/em><\/strong> This transcript was generated using both transcription software and a human\u2019s light touch. It has been edited for style and clarity.]<\/em>\u00a0<\/p>\n Emmarie Huetteman:<\/strong> Hello, and welcome back to \u201cWhat the Health?\u201d I\u2019m Emmarie Huetteman, a senior editor for KFF Health News, and I\u2019m joined by some of the best and smartest health reporters in Washington. We\u2019re taping this week on Thursday, Aug. 7, at 10 a.m. As always, news happens fast, and things might have changed by the time you hear this. Here we go.\u00a0<\/p>\n Today, we\u2019re joined via video conference by Lauren Weber of The Washington Post.\u00a0<\/p>\n Lauren Weber:<\/strong> Hey, everybody.\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> Sandhya Raman of CQ Roll Call.\u00a0<\/p>\n Sandhya Raman:<\/strong> Good morning.\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> And Sarah Karlin-Smith of the Pink Sheet.\u00a0<\/p>\n Sarah Karlin-Smith:<\/strong> Hi, everybody.\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> It\u2019s August, and here in the nation\u2019s capital that means Congress has flown the coop, and a lot of the federal city has gone with them. No interview this week. And you may be wondering why you\u2019re hearing my voice instead of the incomparable Julie Rovner. Julie\u2019s out this week having surgery to repair her broken wrist. Good news: She\u2019s on the mend and she\u2019ll be back in your podcast feed very soon. Get well soon, Julie. Let\u2019s get to the news.\u00a0<\/p>\n On Tuesday, the Trump administration announced that the secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., has canceled almost $500 million in federal grants and contracts to develop mRNA vaccines. That technology, of course, was responsible for the first covid vaccines, and researchers have been working on new ways to use mRNA, including against bird flu and even cancer. But in explaining his decision, Kennedy made false claims about mRNA vaccines, including that they do not protect against respiratory illnesses. Kennedy\u2019s opposition to the covid vaccine, in particular, is well-documented. But before becoming health secretary, he advocated for federal officials to revoke approval for mRNA-based covid shots.\u00a0<\/p>\n Sarah, you\u2019re our pharmaceutical industry expert. What will this mean for vaccine development? Without this government funding, can that research continue?\u00a0<\/p>\n Karlin-Smith:<\/strong> I think people are really concerned, particularly about the speed of vaccine development for pandemic situations. That\u2019s a classic market failure in that companies aren\u2019t that incentivized to work on developing products for hypothetical situations that may never come to pass, but we obviously want to be prepared for strains of the flu that can be particularly harmful and stuff. So I think that\u2019s where people are really concerned.\u00a0<\/p>\n I think, in general, this is just another mark in some of the vaccine actions that have taken place since this administration took over that makes people a little more nervous about just investing in the vaccine field, whether it\u2019s mRNA or vaccines in general. FDA has made some unusual decisions around the indications for covid vaccines moving forward. The [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention\u2019s] whole [Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices] has changed. So I do think there\u2019s broader concern beyond the mRNA vaccines and our need to have this technology to really prepare for a pandemic about how confident industry will be in the places they normally would invest money on their own.\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> Lauren, you had a story yesterday<\/a> about how Kennedy\u2019s decision is intensifying concerns about our ability to fight future pandemics. Can you tell us what you\u2019re hearing from public health experts?\u00a0<\/p>\n Weber:<\/strong> Yeah. We spoke to a number of public health experts and vaccine experts, mRNA experts, who said, Look, this is the technology that you want to be spry, to be able to alter something, to fight potentially a bird flu. It\u2019s also used in revolutionary ways to fight maybe even cancer here in the future.<\/em> There\u2019s a lot of fear about how this could have a chilling effect, as Sarah was pointing out, on the development pipeline and what that means in a pandemic situation.\u00a0<\/p>\n I do think it\u2019s important to note that just this morning, Trump was asked about this and said he was going to have a meeting on it at noon. Not sure exactly what that means, but potentially that could be something. Robert Malone, who\u2019s an ACIP member, sent out an email trying to rally MAHA [\u201cMake America Healthy Again\u201d] supporters to make sure that they backed up Kennedy\u2019s decision.\u00a0<\/p>\n I think it\u2019s also important to take a step back and look at Kennedy\u2019s past remarks on mRNA, as you alluded to. This is a man who falsely called the covid vaccine \u201cthe deadliest ever made.\u201d He\u2019s described it as a poison in the past. Some anti-vaccine factions of MAHA have really been pushing to try and limit access to mRNA technology. You\u2019ve seen this also in some Republican and far-right states, that are more right. You\u2019ve seen some legislation suggested to remove access to mRNA technology. There\u2019s a big question among some of the folks we talked to on if this is a bit of a signal to the base.\u00a0<\/p>\n Karlin-Smith:<\/strong> I was going to say, ironically, the mRNA vaccines was probably the biggest success of the Trump administration\u2019s first term in office. He was instrumental in spearheading the fast development of the vaccines for covid.\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> Right, Operation Warp Speed. Interesting how far we\u2019ve come. To be clear, this isn\u2019t all of the government\u2019s mRNA contracts, right? This is just a piece of the research funding?\u00a0<\/p>\n Karlin-Smith:<\/strong> This is a piece of it coming through BARDA [the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority], which is particularly designed to help fill those market gaps in pandemic preparedness, but they\u2019ve also cut other mRNA vaccine contracts previously in this administration, including a big one around bird flu, which people are concerned about right now. I\u2019ve even seen some media reports where people, researchers in the cancer but mRNA space, were concerned about grants just being flagged just because they had the terminology. It\u2019s not everything, but I think there\u2019s certainly fears that this is just a step in a bigger process that is problematic.\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> Absolutely. We\u2019ll be keeping an eye on that. And vaccine contracts aren\u2019t the only thing that President Trump\u2019s team is undoing this week. Under a new federal rule, VA hospitals would no longer be able to perform abortions in cases of rape, incest, or health endangerment. You may remember that the Biden administration introduced that policy at the Department of Veterans Affairs in 2022, after the Supreme Court ended the constitutional right to an abortion. The policy has allowed veterans and their relatives to obtain abortion services even while they are stationed in states with restrictions.\u00a0<\/p>\n Meanwhile, lots of news to get to this week. In prescription drug news, late last week, President Donald Trump sent letters to more than a dozen drugmakers insisting that they drop their prices within 60 days. Specifically, the president demanded that pharmaceutical companies offer many American patients the same prices that drugmakers charge abroad. Over the weekend, Trump told reporters that his administration is dramatically lowering drug prices, \u201cup to 1,500%,\u201d he said \u2014 which, well, I think that technically means the drugmaker would pay you<\/a>.\u00a0<\/p>\n Anyway, Trump told drugmakers that if they don\u2019t lower drug prices, \u201cWe will deploy every tool in our arsenal.\u201d What can the president do to force drugmakers to comply?\u00a0<\/p>\n Karlin-Smith:<\/strong> I think, in some ways, he doesn\u2019t have as many tools in the toolbox as he probably would like to think. At least, not ones that are making the industry particularly fearful right now. He doesn\u2019t have the power to just issue a regulation saying, \u201cThe Medicare-Medicaid reimbursement rates are tied to the rates countries are paying abroad.\u201d That would have to be through legislation. And I think there are reasons that both Republicans and Democrats don\u2019t really like this most-favored-nation approach to drug pricing. There is some sort of limited authority for them to do a demonstration project through CMS\u2019 [Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services\u2019] Medicare-Medicaid Innovation Center. They could come up with a test of this in some kind of limited area. They tried to start implementing that [in] his last term and they got scuttled by lawsuits, so we\u2019ll see if they have a way to avoid that problem this time.\u00a0<\/p>\n But the ironic thing is that when the administration issued this executive order in May calling for this most-favored-nation pricing, he set this 30-day-ish deadline of saying, OK, we\u2019ll tell you what prices we want, you guys lower them. If not, we\u2019re going to do rulemaking<\/em>. One thing that came up when he issued this letter, these letters on Friday, giving industry another 60 days is, Well, why are they not just going through with some kind of rulemaking or next steps?<\/em> It almost seemed to some people like almost a more muted threat because they haven\u2019t done the follow-through yet or come up with what the follow-through is here.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> Now, where is the Medicare\u2019s drug negotiation ability in this equation? Why isn\u2019t the president doing more to leverage Medicare\u2019s power to negotiate at this point?\u00a0<\/p>\n Weber:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s really interesting because in the \u201cBig, Beautiful Bill,\u201d there were two provisions that a lot of people missed that limited the ability to negotiate on some key drugs, which has been estimated to likely cost the American taxpayer and the government billions of dollars over the next couple years.\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> Yeah, the CBO says that those changes will cost Medicare at least $5 billion in missed savings over 10 years.\u00a0<\/p>\n Weber:<\/strong> Yes, that\u2019s what\u2019s called effective lobbying. Essentially, what happened is some pharma companies were able to tuck in provisions that key drugs, I think it was Keytruda, I\u2019m not sure if I\u2019m pronouncing that right, or Keytruda, which is used to treat cancer, it\u2019s a drug by Merck. It had $17.9 billion in U.S. sales in 2024. That\u2019s the kind of drug that they won\u2019t be able to negotiate prices on for a bit.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> Yeah, that\u2019s right. Of course, that also means that Medicare patients will be subject to paying their percentage of those higher prices as well. On top of talking about this CBO score there, we\u2019re talking about drug prices that real people are paying for their expensive cancer drugs right now. I guess I\u2019m curious why Trump isn\u2019t using the negotiation process in order to lower those drug prices?\u00a0<\/p>\n Raman:<\/strong> I would add that something that makes this more difficult is that Trump has been very back-and-forth about a lot of his opinions on different things that he\u2019s going to do throughout the last several months in this process. Even if you look at something like how we would deal with tariffs on the pharmaceutical industry, we\u2019ve been a little bit all over the place. I think even if he\u2019s not demonstrating the clear idea of which way he\u2019d want to go, it makes it a little bit harder for the regulators, whether it would be in Congress or through the FDA, to do anything, given that he\u2019s been changing a lot what he\u2019s hinting at wanting to do.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> Yeah, that\u2019s right. Actually, Sarah, you brought up the CMS innovation option. There\u2019s a story out about this<\/a> this week. The Washington Post reports that the Trump administration is considering using that center to do a pilot project to expand access to GLP-1 drugs for weight loss purposes by allowing state Medicaid and Medicare Part D plans to cover them.\u00a0<\/p>\n Now, insurance premiums are slated to go way up next year. If I\u2019m not mistaken, the cost of covering GLP-1 drugs is one reason that insurers have cited for those premium hikes. If this happens, can we expect that the cost of those drugs would strain state and federal budgets?\u00a0<\/p>\n Karlin-Smith:<\/strong> Actually, one I guess positive thing is that some GLP-1 drugs are slated to be subject to negotiation through the IRA [Inflation Reduction Act] program next year, so that there\u2019s maybe positive news around the prices of those going down. Again, that\u2019s obviously only for Medicare. But the problem on the back end is that, based on law, Medicare is not allowed in Part D to cover drugs for weight loss.\u00a0<\/p>\n The Biden administration had tried through rulemaking to make an argument that weight loss drugs and drugs that treat obesity are two different things, hearkening back to \u2014 when that law was written we really didn\u2019t understand obesity as a disease process and all the health problems it has on your body. We thought of weight loss as more of a cosmetic thing. The Trump administration actually pulled that rule, so this would be a much more small step in the direction of trying to get coverage. The report says it would be a \u201cvoluntary demo.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n The biggest question in my mind, which is again, knowing that these drugs, even with cheaper prices, would likely raise costs, is what is the incentive for health plans to voluntarily want to participate in this? What would the government have to do to incentivize this? Without some sort of push there for states and for Medicare Part D plans, I\u2019m not sure the private plans are just going to pick up these products given the amount of people that would qualify for them. I think we need a lot more details from the Trump administration to know if they can actually make this feasible.\u00a0<\/p>\n Weber:<\/strong> I just find this to be such a fascinating move considering [CMS Administrator Mehmet] Oz and Kennedy have such different opinions about weight loss drugs, as does MAHA as a whole. We at The Washington Post had reported previously that Oz does have financial ties to Ozempic through his show \u2014 they had to run a sponsored ad to some extent \u2014 and also through other means. It\u2019s fascinating to see that clearly this is going forward, despite Kennedy having said repeatedly, often, constantly that he does not want to pay for these drugs, that he thinks other interventions, healthy diet and lifestyle, should be implemented. Which Oz has also really promoted as well. So fascinating to see how this experiment plays out. I agree with Sarah; I\u2019m not sure where the incentives are, considering the cost that this will be to see it play out.\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> And one year after Trump promised coverage for in vitro fertilization services on the campaign trail, The Washington Post reports<\/a> that the White House does not plan to require health insurers to cover IVF. The president had said that \u201cif he were elected, the government would either pay for IVF services itself or require insurance companies to do it.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n What\u2019s standing in the way here? What\u2019s involved in making something an essential health benefit?\u00a0<\/p>\n Raman:<\/strong> I think this whole process has been interesting. In February, Trump had put out an executive order directing his administration to come up ways to reduce the out-of-pocket costs for IVF. At the time, it\u2019s pretty vague in terms of what that would entail. After the deadline passed, in part, I think a lot of people weren\u2019t surprised because a) IVF is very expensive. And b) I think there are a lot of complicated nuances to some of his base and whether or not they fully support IVF. We had a lot of this last year, with people saying that they support it, but then also some of the folks that are more pro-life have some stipulations about not wanting embryos destroyed. It just complicated that some of the people that were talking to him about some of the other abortion-related issues were not on board with all of the IVF things. I think that has played definitely a factor in what they\u2019re going to do with this.\u00a0<\/p>\n But it\u2019s also a hard thing to do, to just make this something that \u2014 even with prescription drugs, reducing the costs of those is not simple. In order for them to make it an essential health benefit, I think, is also more complicated given the issues that we\u2019ve been having with preventative care, and just the concerns about the [U.S. Preventive Services Task Force] getting removed and what that\u2019ll do to different things that are covered. It\u2019s complicated and I wouldn\u2019t really see this changing on IVF in the near future, at least from the executive level.\u00a0<\/p>\n Karlin-Smith:<\/strong> It needs to go through Congress to be an essential health benefit. I think there\u2019s a theme in some of the topics we\u2019re coming up to today where Trump is clearly coming up to the limits of his bully power and his threats of negotiation. I think Martin Makary, the head of the FDA, said, \u201cYou get more bees with honey.\u201d Well, unfortunately, sometimes it\u2019s just not enough to attract these industries to make major changes.\u00a0<\/p>\n Yes, they\u2019ve gotten some sort of minor concessions, I think. I know they would like to think they\u2019re transformative, but I think a lot of what they\u2019ve gotten voluntarily is pretty minor, in terms of both health impact, and also how much it harms industry in terms of, like, food dyes. Or even the insurance companies saying, Oh, sure, we\u2019ll do better on not going crazy on prior authorization<\/em>.\u00a0<\/p>\n I think Trump now has to actually double-down and work with policymakers on rule writing, or work with Congress. It\u2019s more complicated, especially again, as Sandhya said, IVF is something that\u2019s complicated for his base to support.\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. This all came out of the blowback about how far towards banning abortion the country was going to go under Trump. This was a way to say, We\u2019re preserving some parts of the reproductive health that are really important to people in our base<\/em>, right?\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Raman:<\/strong> Yet even when Congress has tried to look at any of the IVF legislation in the past, it\u2019s fallen on party lines. There have been ones that have been more messaging on either side. I think the closest we\u2019ve gotten is that, on the defense side, trying to consider measures there for folks with Tricare, but it\u2019s difficult to get folks on board with things like this through Congress.\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> Well, speaking of Congress, Congress has left the building. August recess has begun and lawmakers are back home. Say, how is that government funding coming along. Sandhya?\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Raman:<\/strong> I think we\u2019re in a similar place to many years in that it\u2019s August, they\u2019re out. We need government funding by the end of September, and we\u2019re nowhere close to getting that. I would say on the plus side, the Senate is further along than they usually are. Before they left, they did mark up the Labor, HHS, Education funding bill, and that was overwhelmingly bipartisan. It included some money that would be a boost for NIH [the National Institutes of Health], which I know was a big concern for a lot of folks given what was in the White House proposal. It maintains funding for some of the programs that would be cut under the White House, things like Title X, Ryan White HIV. It also has a little bit of a pushback on making sure that the agencies continue the staffing to keep up some of their statutory duties.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n But again, it\u2019s just the Senate. The House has not put out their bill. I would expect theirs to be a bit more conservative, given that the head of the Appropriations Committee in the Senate is Susan Collins, who\u2019s been a little bit more moderate. The House is expected to release theirs and mark up theirs right after they get back. They meant to do it before recess but got pushed back because of reconciliation and that changing their schedule.\u00a0<\/p>\n It depends what they say in theirs and how much difference there is. I would expect there to be a lot of differences. It seems like we\u2019re headed toward the usual of at least some sort of temporary spending to kick it down the line. Whether or not that ends up being a year again, like we did this year, or a short-term thing, we\u2019re not sure yet. It depends on where we are in September.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> Right. And possibly preceded by a lot of fighting over social issues that get thrown into the health bill, and fights over the actual funding levels, if I had to guess, based on how House lawmakers have been talking about it so far.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Raman:<\/strong> Oh, no. I think just the fact that we had such a big rescissions debate this year and the fact that we might do that again, it has definitely left a sour taste for a lot of Democrats who are worried that if whatever they vote for here might just get clawed back later on down the line. That\u2019ll be another thorn in it.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> Awesome. Well, thanks for that take. That\u2019s this week\u2019s news. Now it\u2019s time for our extra-credits segment. That\u2019s where we each recognize a story we read this week that we think you should read, too. Don\u2019t worry if you miss it; we\u2019ll put the links in our show notes on your phone or other mobile device.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Lauren, why don\u2019t you go first this week?\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Weber:<\/strong> I have a doozy of a story from The New York Times titled \u201c\u2018Hot Wasps\u2019 Found at Nuclear Facility in South Carolina<\/a>,\u201d by Emily Anthes. Yeah, it\u2019s the stuff of nightmares. It\u2019s all about how wasps became radioactive \u2014 four wasps\u2019 nests near a South Carolina nuclear facility.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> Yikes.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Weber:<\/strong> If this gave you bad dreams, it definitely did for me. Essentially, what some of the researchers have posited is that wasps could have burrowed in some sort of bad wood or wood that was contaminated or other parts of the area that are contaminated. But this idea that it sounds like something out of Chernobyl, or something like that. But this idea that in the U.S., you could have a nuclear facility that is potentially transforming some of the near-wildlife is concerning in terms of cleanup efforts, and also concerning in terms of contamination control. Clearly, there\u2019s more that needs to be dug into there. Hopefully everyone sleeps after hearing about this.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> Woof, yeah. I might need to take an Ambien tonight. Sandhya, how about you go next?\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Raman:<\/strong> My extra credit is from me in Roll Call. It\u2019s my last dispatch from my reporting trip in Sweden earlier this year. And it\u2019s called \u201cSweden\u2019s Push for Smokeless Products Leads Some To Wonder About Risks<\/a>.\u201d It looks a little bit at some of the public health impacts as Sweden has really tried to reduce their smoking rate to become smoke-free. The U.S. is also at a low from smoking. Some of the things that public health experts are thinking about as people shift to other products and how they\u2019re able to message to the remaining smokers that are not willing to give that up still.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> Awesome. Thanks for telling us about your work there. And Sarah?\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Karlin-Smith:<\/strong> I looked at a story from Slate, \u201cConfessions of a Welfare Queen<\/a>: I Study Poverty for a Living, and I Never Thought I\u2019d Need Medicaid. Then My Child Was Diagnosed With a Terminal Illness,\u201d by Maria Kefalas. It\u2019s a personal story from a mother whose family needed Medicaid when their young child was diagnosed with an illness that was going to severely require intense medical care and limit her lifespan. They were able to take advantage of what are known as \u201cKatie Beckett waivers\u201d that were instituted by Ronald Reagan to allow states to voluntarily allow higher income requirements so that people could get Medicaid and care for their children at home. The original girl it was named for was otherwise basically going to be stuck living her life, and she lived until 34, in a hospital.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n The purpose of the story is really to point out that now that the \u201cBig, Beautiful Bill\u201d has passed and there are $1 trillion in spending cuts to Medicaid, that these are some of the sorts of people and programs, because it is not a mandatory program, that may unfortunately be on the first for the chopping block. I think the piece does a good job of pointing out, while there\u2019s been a lot of rhetoric around the people who are going to get hurt by this are people that are not working or somehow abusing the system, and the mother does a pretty good job of talking about how both she and her husband continue to work. Most of the families that need this program, to the extent they can, want to keep working. You just get a really human picture of the type of people that are at risk of losing services.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> Yeah, for sure. It\u2019s a really illuminating story. Thanks for talking about it. My extra credit this week is from my colleagues here at KFF Health News. The headline is \u201cNew Medicaid Federal Work Requirements Mean Less Leeway for States<\/a>.\u201d It\u2019s by Katheryn Houghton and Bram Sable-Smith.\u00a0<\/p>\n They report that at least 14 states are in progress designing their own work requirement programs. But now, with the passage of Trump\u2019s law last month, which institutes federal work requirements, those states must make sure that their programs meet federal standards. In some cases, the states are actually going even further than federal requirements, my colleagues report. For instance, Arizona state law would institute a five-year lifetime limit on Medicaid coverage for \u201cable-bodied adults.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n OK, that\u2019s this week\u2019s show. Thanks as always to our producer-engineer, Francis Ying, and to Stephanie Stapleton, our editor this week. If you enjoyed the podcast, you can subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. We\u2019d appreciate it if you left a review; that helps other people find us, too. Also, as always, you can email us your comments or questions. We\u2019re at whatthehealth@kff.org. Or you can find me on LinkedIn<\/a>. Where are you guys these days? Sandhya?\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Raman:<\/strong> I\u2019m on X<\/a> and Bluesky @SandhyaWrites<\/a>.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> Sarah?\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Karlin-Smith:<\/strong> A little bit of everywhere, but X, Bluesky, LinkedIn @SarahKarlin<\/a> or @sarahkarlin-smith<\/a>.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> And Lauren?\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n Weber:<\/strong> I\u2019m at X<\/a> and Bluesky @laurenweberhp<\/a>. Yes, the HP is for \u201chealth policy.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n Huetteman:<\/strong> We\u2019ll be back in your feed next week. 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